Rangers Not a Top 10 Organization
11. New York Rangers: The Rangers won't be this high next year with likely graduations from top prospects Chris Kreider and Tim Erixon, but until that time, it looks like New York has several more pieces to add to an already good young core. Beyond their top two prospects, they have several players with notable upside in their pipelines in addition to solid depth.
...no Pronman don't worry about Miller, St. Croix, McIlrath, Hrivik, Yogan, Fogarty, Bourque, Fast, Jean and Skjei.
...yeah, system will be real barren with Kreider & Erixon on the big club next year. What a joke.
Last year Pronman ranked the Rangers #20th calling the organization fairly average then adding that Kreider projects to be an "An above-average second line forward ceiling though he could end up as an above-average to average third line forward."
...hahahahahaha! Great call on Kreider buddy.
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This is a parody article, right? Corey Pronman knows more about hockey than every person who's ever visited this site combined, and it's not close. None of those players Kevin listed project as a first line player, and calling Kreider an "above-average second line forward" is not a knock on him by any means. So uh, he's right. Nothing that makes the Rangers a top organization right now has to do with their organization's prospect pool.
The mere fact that Ryan Bourque is still being considered a prospect is utterly hilarious. Keep watching the Traverse City tournament guys! It's SO important only 1/3 of NHL teams send squads!
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@RealMikeSalerno First off Pronman said Kreider's "ceiling" is a second line player. So uh, no he's not right. Unless you didn't watch Krieder in the playoffs this year.
Secondly, when the first line of his analysis is that the Rangers are going to drop next season when Kreider & Erixon are on the big club shows his lack of knowledge of the Rangers system.
Hagelin was never seen as a big time prospect & he looked pretty damn good last year. So just because some of these guys aren't big name prospects doesn't mean they aren't going to be impact players.
Miller & St. Croix are studs and McIlrath (who now is injured) is a crease clearing defenseman every team would love to have.
So sorry if I can't agree with your assessment on Pronman. When did you get on his pay roll anyway?
@KevinDeLury @RealMikeSalerno I find it amusing anyone who buys Corey Pronman as a serious evaluator of talent.
"Corey Pronman knows more about hockey than every person who's ever visited this site combined, and it's not close."
Really? Uh you are here at this site so that must mean you don't know anything. Last year while just about every REAL ACTUALLY HONEST LEGIT experts on college hockey were talking about Chris Kreider as one of the top players in college hockey there was Pronman who questioned Kreider's hockey sense.
Why not ask Pronman how many times he has actually seen those he evaluates with his own eyes and you might be in for a surprise.
REAL Ranger fans actually know better than to take Pronman seriously because his batting average when it comes to projecting Ranger prospects he is wrong just about every single time.
REAL Ranger fans know that what the "REAL" person wrote was a crock and a half.
@RealMikeSalerno Boy Mikey you just shot yourself in the ass here. See last year I did ask Corey how much time did he spend watching Kreider and he acknowledged that he hardly had. Corey acknowledged that his opinion was based upon talking to others.At least Corey is honest and I can respect him for it, but you on the other hand are a mere child who tries to belittle everyone he meets in order to make up for whatever insecurities you have.
You are a child and a very immature one at that. You have this habit of trying to belittle everyone who makes the mistake of coming in contact with you.
You want McIlrath in 2010 fine here is his story.
In the 2nd half of 2010, Moose Jaw decided to rebuild so they moved their older players to get Dylan more ice time. Yes at the time he was still raw and inexperienced but it was clear to anyone who watched him play that he had skill.
McIlrath led Moose Jaw on a tear, helping them steal the 8th seed in the WHL's EC. McIlrath's size was the difference maker as he may be 6'5 but he also has a 84 inch wingspan.
Defensively McIlrath's strengths besides his size was also his reaction time and ability to read the situations on the ice.
The Rangers drafted him because Gordie Clark said he felt he had gone away from adding physical players and that McIlrath was the compliment to Del Zotto. (why yes Clark told me this at the 2010 draft where were you that day?)
FYI McIlrath's fighting skills were developed by Cam Barker's father, his defensive game by Mike Strothers.
While you are already acting like McIlrath's future is in doubt; the medical side disagrees with you (gee another shock) and that a full recovery can happen given McIlrath's youth and the strong training staff the Ranger's have.
Oh one last thing Mikey, the proper term for McIlrath's injury is a "dislocated patella."
Hope you have a nice day
@TheProspectpark @KevinDeLury so that's what happens when you get hit with some facts, huh?
man, if only you spent that much time writing on your website and not stalking my old twitter info maybe you'd have something to show for your years of salivating over teenagers instead of just a long winded site riddled with grammatical errors.
you are such a pompous, pathetic douche that i lose track of where to begin, private.
believe me, i don't call myself an expert by any means, mostly because i've managed to enjoy writing about and analyzing a sport i love without getting my head lodged in my ass, something you've been struggling with for years it seems. you may not call yourself an expert either. could've fooled me.
obviously pronman scouts players himself, and has connections with dozens more. why do you think espn allows him to be the leading prospect/draft writer along with sonier? he absolutely knows more than anyone here. me, and especially you included.
go ahead and classify Dylan McIlrath in 2010 for me then, please. When they drafted him. Before he blew his knee cap into 12 pieces. Humor me. What would you call him? Because "a project" seems like a pretty damn accurate title to me. Maybe "a project with fists" perhaps?
Oh, and I watch as much junior hockey as I can bud.
as for me being "Mr REAL" and knocking my Twitter info (which I presume would qualify as you calling me a name, which in turn would make you the hypocrite of day) I'm really not sure how to take that other than laughing at you. Go watch more CHL games. They teach you how to chirp properly when you're young.
Bye now.
"Fun fact: anyone who calls themselves an expert is far from it."
Funny but you did say that Pronman knew more about hockey than anyone else who visited here. Lets not forget the 23 yr old person who claims his goal is to be a household name.
Name calling is the number 1 sign that you are not able to handle any argument like an adult. But then again this is your typical MO when called out start with name calling.
I don't call myself the expert on the Ranger prospect, I don't need to. I get my kicks when the kids make the team and stick.
As for McIlrath he is 20 and only someone who doesn't know how prospects develop would be claiming McIlrath was "project" because they haven't seen him play.
The point you miss is that Pronman does do the leg work himself to check out the prospects.
LOL yep mister expert knows Ranger prospects and you base this on what stat pages? Do you even know when Penticton is?
Well Mr "REAL", you are right there is a line but you are way at the back end of it.LMAO goal to be a household name I won't ask what as
@TheProspectpark @KevinDeLury You know just because you use CAPS LOCK it doesn't make you more viable, right Rubenstein? Fun fact: anyone who calls themselves an expert is far from it. I don't care how long you've "covered" the game. Get back in line champ.
Okay, so he said a 21-year old raw talent lacked hockey sense.This came after a less-than-stellar sophomore year in which he was hurt. I don't have to tell you about Kreider's maturation during his junior year at BC SINCE YOU ARE THEEEE AUTHORITY ON RANGERS PROSPECTS (see, you fool. I can do that too.)
Now, back to my point. Miller is not a stud. St. Croix is not a stud. Might they be fine NHLers one day? Certainly. McIlrath may never see the light of day now with his injury, but even if he didn't get hurt, he's still a project two years after we drafted him. But nobody, NOBODY, in the Rangers system is a surefire first line difference maker. And from what I understand from one of my own writers who was at prospect camp last week, the team is displeased with Erixon's progress.
And again, his comment about Kreider is not to be taken as an insult to his talent. Take off the blinders fellas. Saying NYR has the 11th best organization is just about right. For a team that's picked in the top 10 once in the last seven years, and had a number of players graduate their system in recent years, that's actually pretty good isn't it?
And without Kreider and Erixon next year, expect them to be back in the 20s.
to be fair, st. croix is still under the radar, hrivik and jean haven't really proven themselves. Yogan and bourque are not high end prospects (it looks like bourque, if he makes it, will only be a checker). Miller is interesting, he could end up a mike richards type or a great 3rd liner/checker type. Fast, Fogarty and Skjei seem to have some high upside. I do agree though, the system will not be anywhere near baron. Kreider.....he's going to be a beast....
@smatty I don't disagree but I took offense to the fact that Pronman feels without Kreider and Erixon the Rangers organization is left with nothing. Which is completely false.
@Ted - you have some valid points, but this guy ranks the Rangers outside the top ten and they finished #2 in the league in points with a below average PP. Granted, the Rangers have lost some hard-nosed, blue collar players this off season, but to rank them outside the top ten is plain ridiculous!
our issue as ranger fans is simple Steven RIce, Christian Dube, Jamie Lundmark, Paval Brendl, we tend to over estimate our youngsters. can we at the very least wait until Kreider plays a full season in the NHL before we have playing on the top line. imo i dont totally disagree with his being a 2nd or 3rd line player. ill reserve judgement until i see 40 goals from him this upcoming season!
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What makes me so proud of the Rangers organization was their ability to work within their draft and build up.
How many current guys on the roster are from our draft or from our affiliated teams? How young is our current roster? How many guys do we still have high hopes for in the AHL? How many guys do we still have in Junior or in College or overseas? Answers are simple for the deep hearted Ranger fans... Most of our roster is homegrown... We have one of the youngest teams... We have high hopes for all the guys you mentioned above.
This guy obviously has no idea what hes saying if hes putting Tim Erixxon in front of Chris Kreider. I also feel this guy has no idea what the true meaning of a graduated player is... Carl Hagelin def was not a #4 prospect for us this year. And hes a long ways away from hitting his prime. Same goes for McD and the rest of the squad....
@MarkFox I have been writing about the New York Rangers on the web since 1997 and have covered the Ranger prospects since 2004.
To quote one of my mentors: "people never remember those you got right but they make sure you never forget the ones you got wrong.
It took a long time but the Rangers have built not only a solid scouting department but also a support staff designed to help the prospects become the best possible players they can be.
When people want to write that the Ranger prospects are bad, ask them how many times did they see them play?
Last year Pronman said Kreider lacked hockey sense but all the real experts when they talked about Boston College started wit h Chris Kreider.
Give me Gordie Clark and Jeff Gorton over Pronman everyday
