Here's video of the punches...
Larry Brooks at the New York Post reports that the Flyers were upset with Sean Avery's knockout of Matt Carl, his first NHL fight, however it is the Flyers that might end up fined for their actions.
Brooks adds that after Brandon Prust laid a big hit on Kimmo Timonen and was skating down the boards, both Daniel Briere and Scott Hartnell threw punches from the Flyers' bench that made contact with the Rangers' winger which is grounds for supplementary discipline.
...i love how Avery is always portrayed as a dirty player but others like Briere, who was suspended earlier this year for a cross check to the head of an Islanders player, aren't.
...i've read reports that Flyer players were upset that Avery continued to throw punches at Carle after he was knocked down. To that I say don't get punched in the face and fall to the ice.
Here's video of the Avery/Carle fight...
Although you make some points that have validity, they would be taken much more seriously without the gratuitous and unnecessary profanities. While using a profanity once in a while to emphasize a point is OK, your arguments lose much of their impact when the profanities are the major part of the message. It makes it hard to take them seriously.
@rusty25 I hear what you're saying Rusty, loud and clear. I dont particularly like it, either. However, in the grand scheme of things what he said could have been a LOT worse.
Personally, Im rather impressed that someone, whom is obviously not a Ranger fan, came on here and made comments that werent 100% bullshit and inflamatory. What he said actually has merrit.
@Chris_in_MA @rusty25 @A_ron Chris I guess that it offends me when someone comes on this blog, which has many regular readers, and feels the need to use that kind of sting of invectives. Kevin runs a high class, infoirmative blog and that kind of language just cheapens it. On the other blog that I frequent (Carp's blog) the post would have been taken down and the blogger banned. That's why I like these 2 blogs so much - the tone generally remains crisp but respectful. Maybe I'm just getting too old in a younger man's world.
@A_ron When one is either insecure or cannot defend their position I guess the next best course of action is to descend to name calling. Since that is your chosen level of discourse you will no longer be getting your points across to rhis fairy,as he will no longer even read your posts.
@rusty25 If word selection loses my points impact on you, then you must really be a fairy (is that acceptable?).
What I said gets the point across, now the need to improve my language to have someone "like you" feel the impact more makes me laugh. You did understand what I said right? Let it go.
*Side note: I really did not use that many profanities...only in areas where I wanted to identify the player or his actions.
Move on, it is people like you who complain over minute things that are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Avery OWNED Carle in his first fight ever (...yes we have a few players who have not fought before...part of reason why we are 1st as we are focusing on winning now and not just fighting). Why he needed more shots while on ice is beyond me and against fighter "code" (if you will).
Carcillo and Shelley wouldnt have done that as they know how to fight.
I loved Avery avoiding Shelley the rest of game....what a pussy.
Im all about being fair, Carle got destroyed, but the late on ice shots.... I cant wait for Avery to get his...if he doesnt run away..
oh and CLIFF LEE!
@A_ron Youre right. If it was a superstar player there wouldve been a penalty... but that doesnt make it a 'dirty' hit. Sure, everyone hates to see one of their players get rocked, but this is hockey.
I think if it were truly a dirty hit, Richards wouldve taken the instigator and actually done something about it. The fact that Richard merely gave him an earful should be a sign that the hit wasnt as bad as it looked.
@Chris_in_MA Ok I agree with you on most of your points, but that hit on Timonen by Prust was suspect to me.
...Lets put it this way...if it were the superstar Crosby, that would have been a penalty, if it were Gaborik, it may have also been a penalty.
I am just saying, its one of those "grey" areas. So as a Flyers fan I hate it as would any Rangers fan if it were their player..
Either way the 1k fine for Briere is OK as it sends message that it is NOT ok to reach from bench at a player on ice.
@A_ron While I generally agree with your assesment of the scrum in front of the Rangers bench as a whole, the Prust hit was in no way, shape or form, boarding. It was a solid, clean check. Hard, but clean.
Realistically there are two completely seperate issues going on here and people seem to be trying to blend the two together as-if they are on-in-the-same.
And to be fair... the first egregious act in the original scrum can be credited to Newbury. So 'the flyers started it' is a pretty lame excuse by Ranger fans.
Was Richards wrong to go over and say anything? Nope. It was a 'hey, im watching you' type thing. Thats what captains are for... and I wish Drury would do the same, but lets face it... hes not that kind of captain.
Should Hartnell and Briere refrained from getting a few jabs in? Maybe. But in reality, I dont think anyone would be making a big deal out of it if it were, say, Giroux and Betts. I think the entire thing is blown out of proportion.
Dubinsky got a fine earlier in the year for something similar. So, give Briere and Hartnell the same fine and a slap on the wrist and call it a day. This is hockey, after all.... a glancing blow (and it was hardly even that) from the bench at the end of a hard-fought, chippy game should be expected.
Avery, for the most part, isnt really that dirty. He has had moments, few and far between where he really does something dangerous (see: avery slashing the legs of Komisarek), but the majority of his antics are verbal and pure agitation.
He doesnt fight all that often, but when he does, he has made it common practice to take extra swings at guys that are already on the ice.... and that is unacceptable.
Averys cheap shots at Carle while on ice were dick/prick/right up his asshole alley.
Prusts BOARDING (almost a major if it were only Crosby going into boards) was dealt with by Flyers JABBING (not punching) Prust as a way to let him know that was dick.
AVERY = classless however somewhat normal for him.
PRUST "incident" OVERBLOWN by typical Ranger fans who lack any ability to rationalize outside of their own team.
Gaborik DROPPED his gloves as well...so get off that old shit.
The comments seem to be a little wonky... I cant view them unless I post one. When I wrote my last note, it was under the premise that no one had repsonded yet... and after I posted the rest of the comments showed up. Here I am, back to the thread and it appears as if there are no comments (again)
My biggest issue with Avery is his lack or respect when it comes to fighting. He alreayd basically knocked the dude out. Theres no reason to keep throwing punches when hes down... and Avery makes this common practice. That being said... Im not all that enraged about the punches from the bench. They barely made contact and Prust didnt even hardly react. However, Briere has ALWAYS been a dirty player but generally gets by on his 'superstar' status. Hartnell, well, hes just a clown. I'd give them both a slap on the wrist and nothing more.
The Flyers have a player who never had a fight before (Carle)????? How did he sneak into the room? Besides, if you are man enough to get on the ice and grab someone's sweater then you better be ready to fight.
By the way, where was Carcillo last night, anyway?
flyers complaining about that is a joke... throwing punches when the guy is down are staples of the way carcillo and hartnell fight. Not to mention, like you said Kevin, I didn't hear complaints last year when carcillo fought Gaborik. And on top of all of that there's been no mention of the dirtbag move by briere and they would've had no problem if Dubi and shelley started throwing them after they were squared up.
What's even more laughable is the Flyers taking umbrage with Avery taking on a non-fighter in Carle. Ummm, do you not remember Carcillo fighting Gaborik last season?
We know that Avery usually gets the shaft and the blame in most situations and the league basically looks the other way at the refs bias. And, although it is hockey 'etiquette' to stop punching when a guy goes down, I've seen many fights where a guy keeps on slugging. It's laughable that of all teams the Flyers, whose whole franchise is bases on goonery and cheap shots, would be the team to take umbrance.