"There is, though, statistical evidence that a huge total of blocked shots is not endemic to success, for three of the five team leaders in that category -- with the Islanders first -- are out of the playoffs while Presidents' Trophy winner Vancouver is 25th overall in that category and the gold-standard Red Wings rank 29th.
The Blackhawks were 17th last year before winning the Cup. The Red Wings were 30th. And the Panthers, Islanders and Oilers -- three of the league's worst teams, ranked 1-2-4, respectively."
...i understand what Brooks is trying to say here, but not every time is as talented at the Canucks and Red Wings. The Rangers need to do the little things like shot blocking and hits to win games.
...what do you guys think. Is the shot blocking mentality that has been so successful for the Rangers worth all the injuries especially when it happens to a key player such as Callahan?
The argument some are making here about other teams being deeper and therefore don't need to block as many shots goes both ways: Without comparable depth, any injury hurts a team like the Rangers more. I mean, look at the Canucks losing Malhotra; they just give those minutes to Ryan Kesler and lose nothing--in fact they may gain something because a better player will be playing more key minutes for the relatively short duration of the playoffs. Even if the Canucks go really deep, you would assume a guy like Kesler won't miss a beat. But who replaces Callahan for the Rangers? Gilroy? Drury? That's a much bigger step down in skill that will really hurt.
I'd be curious to see the stats on how many games were decided this season by goals that got past Hank because they were deflected by players trying to block the shot. I know we've lost a few that way.
I think blocked shots are frustrating for the opposition, but clearly at a certain point, the costs may outweigh the benefits. I don't think the team concept would suffer much if they were closer to the middle of the pack in blocked shots, maybe top third. This might save them a few crucial injuries.
Watching the Boston game, I couldn't help but think that if I had Chara on the point, I'd have him knock the Rangers down until they couldn't get up. I hope other teams don't decide that blasting the Rangers could be an effective stategy. I hope it ain't so. Just sayin...
Shot blocking as part of a game plan?
Obviously if the time is right and you can block a shot, block it, but to devise a game plan and a penalty kill around blocking shots is just plain stupid. And its even stupid-er when your arguably best player is blocking Chara shots.
Watching these games, you just knew it would bite them in the ass, and it did, and it has before.
movement movement movement. you gotta move.
standing still and blocking a shot isnt a successful gameplan
as far as those teams leading the league in blocked shots, i would think one reason is, they are facing MORE shots in each game, so they are blocking more, but i dont know the stats.
and its not just cally. Drury has broken his hand blocking shots, and cally's other injury was from blocking shots.
Great game plan Totalretard!!
Blocking shots, in my opinion, creates a 'team-first' mentality, and that's the way I want it. There are plenty of other ways in which a team-first mentality can be achieved, but throwing your body in front of a Chara slapper should really get your boys fired up. Plus, the puck can't get behind Hank if it never reaches him.
I think the Rangers issue is they all too often block shot with the sides of their bodies and their arms (getting low tot he ice). Take it in the shins, or off the ass, it'll hurt a hell of a lot less.
i like the rangers shot blocking, different things work for different teams but i believe there are times to block shots and times not to. the injuries really rack up and the one to cally literally made us go from a cup contender to a possible early exit
I couldnt agree more with you saying it has been blown out of proportion bc its Cally. Hes our best player (Hank doesnt count) and without him it will be hard to get that energy from somewhere else. The rangers have won all year with this style of play. If they change it now, who knows what will happen. The players dont seem to mind getting pucks to the body. It shows what kind of team we are, and how NYR hockey is back!!
To be honest, I think the whole shot-blocking issue is getting blown way out of proportion. If you look at nhl.com stats (fair enough, I don't know how accurately those are kept track of), Rangers have 672 blocked shots over 80 games, which is 2nd. Detroit has about 200 less, at 474. And I didn't do all the math to find an average, but all the middle teams are hovering in the high 500s. So Rangers maybe 100 extra blocked shots over the average over the whole season. That's a grand total of 1.25 extra blocked shots per game. So is that 1 (ish) extra shot the one shot that hurt Cally? Or Drury?
It's a crapshoot (ha! pun!) - they can block 30 shots in a game (1-0 over Bruins) and have nothing happen to anyone, but some newbie just signed out of college or AHL callup could go out and block one shot on one shift and break a hand or foot.
You're 100% right that they block because they're not to the talent level of Vancouver or Detroit. But in the grand scheme of things, no matter how much it looks like they block more (and it's more obvious in some games than others), they're not actually blocking that many more than anyone else per game.
It's also getting blown out of proportion because it was Callahan. Big role on the team and one of the more prolific blockers. But would there be so much kerfuffle if it was say, Christensen or Wolski, who broke something? No.
Some Chicago player separated his own shoulder by missing a check yesterday. Should Chicago not check anymore? No, because it's part of hockey. Part of hockey, especially Ranger hockey, is shot blocking. Why change? It's working. You run the risk in injury in hockey regardless of blocking shots anyway.
If anything, I'd be anti-blocking because of potential for goalie screens, but Hank seems to be working fine with it, so I say stay the course.
i think that if we change our mentality this late in the season it will bring nothing but a collapse
stay the course, use whats worked to get you here in the first place
i think shot blocking will be even bigger in the playoffs, the rangers already sacrifice the hell outta their bodies, all those other teams that havent been doing it all year are in for a rude awakening, the rangers are ready to make some serious noise
I think the rangers need to continue to block shots to be successful. Canucks and Wings are loaded with offensive firepower and therefore the offense takes pressure off the d and goaltender. The rangers lack talent and have to win low-scoring games. Shot blocking allows them to stay in. I also think that has become the identity of the rangers, and after 80 games, I dont think they should change their style of play. Its worked for us and they are in playoff race, which no one expected them to be back in october
I think a change definitely has to be made for next year. This year we've had sooo many injuries due to shot blocking that it's mind-blowing. I'm all for changing the style next year, letting Lundqvist have clear lanes to stop the puck. As for Detroit and Vancouver, not every team is as talented as they are, but they didn't become that talented overnight. They've been building their programs over time to become annual powerhouses (detroit more-so than vancouver obviously). I think the Rangers finally have the building blocks in place to start moving their franchise in that perennial-contender direction...but that will be hard to accomplish if key players miss 20-30 games every year from shot blocking injuries.
@JamesU The Rangers block, on average, less than two more shots per game than the teams in the middle of the pack on shot-blocking. Let them stay in top third, and you're at maybe only one more shot per game than average. I think the Rangers' image as shot-blockers comes from a lot of talk about it, and less the actual numbers.
Regardless, it only takes one shot to break a bone. The team with the least blocked shots - if they have any more than zero - can get injured just as easily as Ranger.
I'm with you on deflections though - as a part-time goalie, it pisses the hell out of me when things go in off my D.
Rangers actually have about 400 more (1276) than lowest (Devils at 856), and in the vicinity of 140-150 more than middle-ish teams (1130ish). Still, less than 2 extra shots blocked per game.